Strength Standards Of TRULY FREAKY Athletes
Hey, Pete. We're gonna talk about the strength standards today on the THP Strength podcast. Enjoy.
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Isaiah:What's a strength standard, John?
John:Well, as I set up my ISOs, I will tell you. Basically, it's how strong you need to be to do x, y, or z activity, which I actually purchased a book, which I referenced the other day called Transfer Training by Bondarchuk. Bondarchuk.
Austin:I like him.
John:And yeah. He's good. I like him. He basically goes through a chart, which is so funny. Didn't someone say once they bought the book and they were like,
Austin:it's just a bunch of charts?
Isaiah:Yeah. Yeah. The Amazon review. That was
John:the the Amazon review. It's like, exactly. There are a bunch of charts that are very valuable. So basically, this guy went through, found a bunch of correlative correlational data for different track and field events, but it's probably really relevant to what we do because some of the events resemble the physical qualities that you need for two foot jumping specifically and one foot jumping.
Isaiah:What would you say is the
John:Can you grab my bag actually? Track
Isaiah:for two foot jumping and one foot jumping, respectively, what track and field event Is like the most correlates the more.
Austin:The the most.
Isaiah:The more.
John:Which correlates the more?
Isaiah:What the what the more correlates? Words.
Austin:Is that the more? It's the more.
John:This is the infamous book. And now I am going to go to
Isaiah:Which one?
John:Oh, I found it. Alright. So for two foot, I would say actually shot put standards, believe it or not. I've actually seen a lot of the time the same things that make shot putters really, really good are the same things that make two footers really, really good outside of some slight differences. I think that they resemble each other in terms of the physical capacities you need.
Isaiah:That one
Austin:athlete that you used to train before teaching was a thing that was a shot putter that was like, you went to school with him or something, he was able to elbow and doing a bunch of crates
Isaiah:and hooks.
John:You're talking about
Austin:You're talking about the freak dude.
John:Yeah. Rode his training?
Austin:I remember we no, we did coach him.
Isaiah:He was on THP for
John:a while. Wait. You're talking about the kid that throws for Harvard now?
Isaiah:I think so.
John:Yeah. I don't think we actually coached him. We get we did a maybe a call for him about tendon health. We might have helped him with his tendon health. Yeah.
John:I don't know if we actually coached him, but we consulted, I would say But, for yeah, he was a he
Austin:was a he's a
John:discus thrower. Was actually, I think he he competes for rice now. I think he's why did I forget his first name? Slipping my mind. I think it's Sam.
Austin:Yeah. There's also the other guy I went to high school with. He's the Olympic. He's an Olympic discus guy or jab. I don't know.
Austin:He's shot. We go. His name's Sam Mathis. Mattis. Mattis.
Austin:Sam Mattis. He's an Olympian, but we went to high school together.
Isaiah:And Look up Sam Walsh on Instagram, by the way.
Austin:Yeah. Okay? Yeah. I went to high school with him. We did track together.
Austin:Yeah. But he was in the Olympic. Dude, he was a freak. Like, he would literally just walk into the gym. No warm up.
Austin:He's also, six five and jacked. Was, seventeen.
Isaiah:You know who else has a shot putter, discus thrower level strength that jumps high? Who? It's a cohort of people. Doctors? NFL players.
Isaiah:Oh.
Austin:Thought that was a name. I thought you said coal hort people. And I was like coal
John:hort.
Isaiah:NFL NFL players. Alright.
John:So I actually have the key performance indicators, KPIs for dickus, discus, discus throwers. Dick throwers. I said dickus.
Austin:I didn't know about that, but Yeah.
John:Yeah. So here we have the actual exercise, and it tells you how far they throw, and then it gives you a number of exercises. I don't know what the current world record is, or the best throws, I should probably look that up first, but we should
Austin:Dick throwing gets some Olympics before Duncan?
John:Let's look up world record, and I think the implement is I wanna say it's a I wanna say is it a one KG disc? Oh, the slowest Wi Fi ever, Isaiah.
Isaiah:You have to connect to my amplifier, my Wi Fi amplifier. That's right there.
John:This is obnoxious. Can you look this up while I
Isaiah:Seriously. What is the world record for discus, though? 74.08
John:meters. 74 meters. Alright, so that's this one, and I am assuming, yeah, that's gonna be the So one kilogram the thing that he sees correlates the best is going to be throwing the 1.5 kilograms disc, throwing the 1.75 kilograms disc, and throwing the 2.25 kilograms disc. Those are the strongest correlates, and then it basically, it doesn't show you the R values for these, which is a measure of a correlational data, but because we know that a significant difference in your squat, clean, or discus throwing ability causes or leads, means there is a significant difference in your ability to throw the regular disc, we know that these things are strongly related. Not only related, but that one actually causes a change in the other.
John:That said, when you look at these metrics, if we were to go to, let's say, like 65 to 70, this is probably where guys in the Olympics are throwing right now, their snatch is 125 kilos. Isaiah, what is that in kilos? Mind you, these guys are fat. Not fat. They're big.
John:They're not fat. Too distant.
Isaiah:I wish it was relative strength.
John:No. Multi times that. Sorry. By two point
Isaiah:I'm dumb.
John:Two seventy five. Two seventy five power snatch? That's crazy. That's crazy. And they probably weigh like, Sam probably weighs one hundred kilos, probably two he probably weighs two forty.
John:So do two seventy five, by the way, two forty. Alright. So it's about one point four. One point one five, probably. Something like that.
Isaiah:That'd be like me doing two ten.
John:Which makes sense. That's about your snatch. Alright. So we go to clean, a hundred and sixty kilos for clean. Let's say Sam weighs two twenty five.
John:Three fifty. Divide that by two twenty five. So one point five six. What's your two eighty six. So you're actually better when it comes to the clean.
Austin:You should discus.
John:And then you would be good at discus if you weighed two twenty five. And I have my arms. Alright. Do do squat is two forty. Squat is two hundred and forty kilos.
Isaiah:Two forty times 2.2. Five twenty eight divided by two twenty, 2.4 times body weight.
John:What's yours? This is probably a
Isaiah:half squat though. Four thirty nine.
John:So what's your deep squat? Four
Isaiah:my all time was four ten.
John:So that's probably similar. Yeah. It's probably around there. If that's a half squat, you're definitely winning excess of that. Bench press, this one doesn't matter, but it's a hundred and ninety kilos,
Isaiah:which is ridiculous.
John:What's your max? That's like four forty, bro. Like four hundred plus pounds. You would would based on that alone So if You your your max, you just dropped down to a forty
Isaiah:So if you
John:want You just dropped to a 40 meter discus thrower.
Isaiah:So if
John:you want me to go discus,
Austin:I should probably just eat a lot And bench and discus throw a lot.
John:Yeah, exactly. You'd be really, really good. Alright. So then their standing triple jump is nine point nine hundred and thirty centimeters, which is you can I I can convert this one if you want? It is 2.54.
John:So we do nine three o That's not me. Divided by 2.54, ten nine hundred and thirty meters, divided by 12, that's 30.5 feet. That's pretty good, actually. 30 and a half feet standing is that's really good for standing triple jump. And then vertical jump.
John:This is in meters, and this is standing. This is the one you guys were all waiting for. Point eight five or I'll do 85 divided by 2.54.
Isaiah:33.
John:Woah. Thirty three thirty four inches. That's actually kinda whack. So that's probably not as much of a correlate. And then shot throw backwards.
Isaiah:What's crazy? That's around where mine is
John:though. Yeah. Yeah, guess. Their 30 meter sprint is so fast though. A thirty and four o, that's like as fast as you, but you have to you have to bench press 400
Isaiah:And be two twenty.
John:And be two twenty. I think
Austin:it's crazy. Experiment time.
John:Alright. So let's talk about what the strength standards like, if I were to go through this, maybe we let's let's look at high jumpers actually, because this would be I'm not sure if there's a oh, you wanna look at shot putters first, no?
Austin:Yeah. Yeah.
John:Alright. So snatch, a 130 kilos, which is around the same. Much more
Austin:are the shot putters?
John:Joe probably weigh Joe Kovacs and they probably weigh fifty plus.
Isaiah:When you look up world Look up
John:look up Joe Kovacs weight. That's that's
Isaiah:Barshinav Kov?
John:Look up weight. Just look up heavy weight, body weight. I'm curious to see what this is. Oh, record holder. This is like Jamie.
John:Jamie, look that up. Ryan Krauser is actually the guy I would look up. Look up Ryan Krauser body weight. Ryan Krauser body weight. Because this will be insightful.
John:It should say.
Isaiah:Three twenty.
John:Three twenty? That's a big boy. I've I've seen him in person, throw you know that? Really? Some old times.
John:Yeah. Yeah. He's he's a beast. He is huge. Alright.
John:So he's the world record right now. It's like 21, 22. So snatch, a 130 kilos times 2.2, that is two eighty six. But two eighty six
Isaiah:He put his numbers in here.
John:Three fifty two is so yeah. Yeah. That makes
Austin:I'm snatch it.
John:Wait. Wait. He said three fifty two for power snatch?
Isaiah:A 160 kilos.
John:What? Bro, that's what your clean is supposed to be. His snatch is the metric for clean.
Austin:You guys are ignoring that.
John:His squat is well, that's definitely a hassle.
Isaiah:Wait. No. That's that that falls in line with it. Snatch?
John:A 130, bro. He cleans 30 kilos over the what is the best Sheesh. Yeah. And his squat
Isaiah:seven is 25.
John:It's two sixty times 2.2. Five seventy two, so it's seven twenty. He's 200 pounds over that, a 100 kilos higher than that. Bench press two twenty. What's his bench though?
Isaiah:His bench is five fifty.
John:Five fifty, two twenty, yeah, that that's close. Yeah. He's definitely that's why he's the world record holder. But what is his vertical what what do you does he have as any other metrics? Is he a broad jump or anything?
Isaiah:No. That's I think those are only three.
John:His podcast was this. Oh, that's USATF. Wow. That's crazy. Did you know Ryan Krauser like seemingly at least, I don't think he really even gave a shit about the event.
John:Really? He was just like, yeah. Was like, yeah. Just kinda
Austin:do it.
John:Don't even really like it. It's crazy. Yeah. Shot putters are insane. Yeah.
John:They're Oh, no. I say it all time. People don't realize how freakishly strong shot putters. They're disgusting freak athletes. Alright.
John:So now let's go to high jumpers, because I think this will be insightful to see. Triple jumpers are more insane. Alright. So on the men's side, we have a 30 meter sprint block start. Alright?
John:And if you wanna jump two thirty, which is like really high, you need to let's go two meters is like, I should be able to jump based on these metrics. This will be interesting. So I know my best 30 meters time from the blocks with reaction well, was from a three point stance, but that's close enough. I have done four zero five, so that puts me in the two twenty to two ten range, which I don't jump. Mind you, I've barely cleared two meters, maybe once.
John:I'm like in this middle column here. 60 meter block time, I've also done that. I've done seven zero five to seven ten. 100 meter time, I'm also around eleven seconds. I think I've maybe just just underneath that.
John:Snatch, 75 kilos. What's 75 times 2.2? I've definitely done that. Yeah. Easily, I've done that.
John:I've done 200. Half squat, half squat, one fifty to one time what's so that is full squat, because you said half squat. Yeah. Three thirty. I've definitely done that.
John:I've full squatted three thirty. Broad jump, three o. That's far. That's like 10 feet. Do do three time times 2.5 300 times 2.54.
John:Divided by 12. Wait. That's wait. So three meters wait. 300 centimeters times or divided by 2.54 divided by 12.
John:Yeah. It's just I've done that actually in broad jump. Triple jump standing triple jump.
Isaiah:That's not 9.84 feet, by the way.
John:Yeah. I've done about 10 feet in standing broad jump. Standing vertical, standing vertical is 90 centimeters. What is that? That's like again 30 some inches.
John:I've done that. Standing triple
Isaiah:Probably like 36.
John:Standing triple jump might be the only one that I don't have for the two twenty guys.
Austin:I wonder about how good I'd be at that.
John:I don't know. We don't have to wonder, we could figure it out.
Austin:I'm okay.
John:Might be seven, if
Austin:I had you screamed at that, idea of that.
John:Three hundred and sixty six divided by 12, So again, 30 feet, I've done also that. That's kinda crazy. So I've hit almost every single one of these metrics, but I do not jump two twenty. Not even close.
Isaiah:Well, two ten is the bottom range
John:of that. Okay. Two I don't even jump two ten. I don't jump two twenty. I'm on the upper end of all of these, and I don't hit.
John:I I have never hit any of those. Yeah.
Austin:Is that two ten?
John:Two ten would be just under seven feet. Just, like, right about seven. Two twenty would
Isaiah:be, like, seven two. Another factor BMI.
John:Body weight. Which they don't have here.
Isaiah:Because what does a two twenty high jumper look like and Well,
John:Jordan Wessner weighs over two hundred pounds.
Austin:He's also a big motherfucker.
John:Yeah. He's six two.
Austin:Oh,
John:really? Six three and And maybe looks like he's like
Austin:Six two? But he's an outlier though in terms of
John:All of them are. He would he would suck at all of these. He wouldn't make any of these metrics.
Austin:Weird. Yeah. So the book, don't pay attention to the strengths No. Of
John:I mean, the the thing is, you're looking at a bunch of okay. To that point, actually. Now that we have done this. What what does any of that mean? Because we've now gone through, we've looked at my numbers, we've looked at Isaiah's numbers, Austin's, we don't really know, but he's probably similar to mine.
John:And we know that my vertical's like forty, forty one, Austin's is 45, Isaiah's is 50. And we know that we're all kind of jumping high, but we're doing it very different ways. And I realized this early on because I became so obsessed with these standards and trying to hit these standards. You can see I hit most of those standards. However, I'm not a two twenty high jumper.
John:I'm not a two ten high jumper. I struggled to jump two meters in high jump. And even when my body weight was one hundred seventy three, and I was still hitting close to those numbers, I still was not like in college, when I jumped six six in college Yeah. I was higher than all of those numbers, and I you know, I'm not jumping seven feet. And I weighed one seventy five.
John:Yeah. So What do
Austin:you weigh now? Like, eighty
John:Probably one eighty five, one eighty four. I don't know what I am today. We'll see when I get to the gym. So, yeah, I think it's it's all to say that these are general goals. They're not things that It doesn't mean if you do this, you will do this.
John:It is not an if then statement. It's saying there are correlations when we look at all of these athletes and we look at their numbers, generally speaking, these are the correlations that we see. These are the these are the metrics that we see for these athletes. It doesn't mean that you will do whatever thing x, y, or z outcome, but if you get to those strength standards, there's a chance that you will. There's more of a likelihood that you'll be able to do those things.
John:Doesn't mean you will, it just means your likelihood or your chances of doing that thing go up. And the reason for that is that squat is not high jump, squat is not shot put, squat is not discus. They are different things, right? And that might sound kind of obvious, but that's why correlational data is just relationships. It's not the same thing.
John:The more specific you get, the more the activity mimics the thing that you wanna do, the higher it's gonna transfer to your sport. That's why the book's called Transfer of Training. And there is other charts in there that show the relationships between those numbers. Again, it's not perfect. We saw Ryan Krauser did 725, is that what it was, In a squat, which is insane.
John:That's madness, especially at his height. So strength standards, do they matter? Yes or no?
Isaiah:I think they're correlated.
John:Strength standards, do they matter? Yes or no?
Austin:I I think they're correlated, but there's obviously gonna be a lot of too.
Isaiah:I think my my outlook on it is there's correlation, but you shouldn't become obsessed with training. I think you should keep continue to try to become stronger.
John:You shouldn't be obsessed with hitting the standard.
Isaiah:But don't don't number chase.
John:Yeah. Yeah. I I That's your goal oriented.
Austin:You need to be process oriented.
John:I agree. And I think what you can fall into, the trap you can fall into is, oh, I'm just gonna do a whole cycle focusing on getting my clean up or train for six months and just go become an Olympic weight lifter to hit whatever metric. And then I'll go work on sprints, and then I'll go work on this, and then I'll go work on that. The problem with that is that you detrain one quality while you're working on another, and it just doesn't really work. That's already been factored into the training whenever I write it.
John:I know that those are things you should be good at if you wanna jump higher, run faster, be more athletic. But just because it says whatever standard doesn't mean you can go chase that thing, you know, in light of all the other things that you have to do, or at the expense of doing other things, and expect to be a certain athlete, expect to be Isaiah or me or Austin. Your individual capacities or capabilities are gonna be determined by your genetics. It's gonna be your training compliance, your sleep, all of those variables, your body weight, your height, we talked about some of those things. All those variables play a role.
John:So, if you're six foot five and you squat seven twenty five, that's different than Austin squatting seven twenty five at 180, I
Austin:can't even imagine that. I think
John:my spine might break.
Austin:A hundred and eighty. I'm one sixty, so that'd be even crazy.
John:Yeah. It's wild. Yeah, do strength standards matter? Yes, as a goal, and something to shoot for, for sure, but at the end of the day, just train to be the best athlete you can be and be the most freakish you can be in all of those things, and you're probably gonna get closer to your goal than you ever thought possible. Alright.
John:Go teach me strength if you were to jump higher and be a better athlete. Thanks for watching, guys. We will see you tomorrow.
